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Peter Himmelman's avatar

Don, as always I appreciate what you have to say. And as an observant Jew, I have few qualms with what you’ve written so well here. The one point I would make is that the Torah, which forms the basis of all monotheism, has almost nothing to do with “religion” as you appear to define it. For that reason, there is no root word for “religion” in the Hebrew language. What you are rejecting, it should be noted, is Christianity.

It is also curious that you haven’t quoted anything from the nearly limitless canon of Jewish sages, past and present—which, of course, preceded Christianity by well over a millennium—and which stresses, again and again, the centrality of human dignity.

Isaac Lewis's avatar

Aside from Kirill Magidson's point that "Christianity contributed nothing to Western civilisation" is very likely too vague to rationally evaluate, I have another point.

This point relates less to the specific discussion above (Mangalwadi on human dignity) and more to your initial claim (no Christian contributions), which I think is the more fundamental question.

I can think of two major contributions from Christianity that were a. extremely valuable b. specifically Christian (e.g., very likely would not have existed in their current form without Christianity) and c. cannot be credited to either pagan Greco-Roman ideas or Renaissance/Enlightenment thinking.

Regarding point c, I'm taking the thrust of your article to be that pre-Renaissance Christianity reveals the *soul* of Christianity. Accepting this for the sake of argument, I think the medieval era -- e.g., anywhere after the fall of Rome but before the Renaissance, when Christian ideas dominated Europe -- is a good place to look for uniquely Christian contributions.

And, yes, there was a dearth of innovation in this era, so your general point is "directionally correct". Still, I can see at least two exceptions:

1. The University, which in its modern form is widely regarded as being a direct descendant of the medieval Christian tradition. Yes, there were Madrassas and similar institutes elsewhere, but modern academia in the Western world still bears the distinctive fingerprints of its medieval Christian origin. The idea of universal knowledge, the institutional union of teaching and research, even the guild-like structure of modern academia were all present in the medieval university.

2. Corporate Law, e.g., the body of legislation relating to corporate entities, had its origin in early/high medieval Church law. The central idea of corporate law is that the organisation is treated as a legal person, and (legally) distinct from the individuals involved, who nevertheless have various rights and obligations w/r/t the corporate entity. The Roman Church basically operated as a network of quasi-independent organisations, and medieval canon law had to grapple with issues like "when exactly is an individual agent of the corporation liable?", etc.

All of this proved to be very useful social infrastructure during the rise of capitalism. Apply medieval corporate law to a profit-making entity, add the idea that you can buy and sell pieces *of the corporation*, and you have the early-modern joint stock company. Nick Szabo has a great essay on this ("Origins of the joint-stock corporation").

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Yes, you could argue that without Christianity maybe we'd have some variant form of universities and corporations, though I think there's a strong case that *the specific forms we have* are distinctly Christian. This touches on a broader point: it's really impossible to tell what is and what is not contributed by any particular set of ideas.

Similarly, going back to the earlier point, the claim as written ("Christianity didn't contribute anything") is too vague to really evaluate. By Christianity do you mean the people, the ideas, the Church(es), or something else? (I mean, tons of *Christians* contributed to Western culture, but I'd guess you'd say they were inspired by non-Christian ideas, so they don't count.)

If the ideas, do you mean only the ideas specific to Christianity, or the hybrid of Jewish, Greek and Pagan ideas that contributed to the Christian worldview? (Again, you could say that Christianity squashed the great classical culture, or you could say that Christianity preserved Greek logic through the dark ages -- i.e. you could argue it either way.)

Similarly, how exactly do you decide what contributed what, when you're dealing with thousands of years of interconnected history? We don't have time machines that let us run history 10,000 times with different religions predominating and see what happens.

At any rate, I enjoy reading your writing, and hope you don't mind the lengthy comments -- I wouldn't write so much if I didn't think it a topic worthy of discussion.

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